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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.06 14:18:00 -
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So, here is another :effort: post for you all but it's got some interesting ideas and changes in and i'd like some feedback on it if possible. I'd also suggest you read through the whole OP/Thread before replying and take some time to go away and think about the implications rather than knee jerk posting because it will be obvious when you've not thought it through.
OMG CW YOU'RE SO AWESOME TELL US ALL ABOUT YOUR IDEA:
Lets take WP's away from OB mechanics in PC and replace it with a new time based/hybrid mechanic.
The current way that OB's work is something i'm not very happy with, it feels too carebear like, not very "New Eden" and worst of all, it only rewards teams that are doing well in the battle. Basically it's "Oh you're winning! Awesome! Here have another orbital stike to make sure you win!" and i think there's a lot more that could be done with OB's to bring in a serious level of strategy to their use and allow defenders the chance to get back into the game once redlined by using strategic assets like OB's and having space side dominance over someone to turn the tide of the battle and help them keep their district, or to totally make sure they lose 4 tanks that are redline sniping with railguns or whatever.
I propose we have them time based and working on a tiered system, so you can fire off an orbital strike from a single small turret destroyer every 5 mins or so. That would allow people with space side dominance to, in theory get off 4-5 strikes at any point in the game with 5 min intervals. It would also allow for larger guns/ship types to be scaled and add a large level of strategy with what OB to pick depending on the situation so if you was going to lose the district and wanted to murder everything on the map in one fell swoop and destroy the SI so the new owner has nothing in that district at all, you call in a titan.
For example:
Small turret destroyer - 5 min cooldown - small AOE/ Low damage.
Medium turret cruiser - 10 min cool down - Medium AOE/ Med damage
Large turret BC/Battleship - 15 min cooldown - Very large AOE/Large damage
XL turrets Dreads/Titans -25 min cooldown - Huge AOE/High damage.
Doomsday - 35-40 min cooldown (only can be used once) - Entire district AOE/Destroys everything including SI.
Now keep in mind that friendly fire is on in corp battles too so that anything with a large AOE will also likely get friendlys, especially the XL types. Which in itself means people have to pick the right ship and the right OB for the specific situation.
WHAT ABOUT PRECISION STRIKES?
Well, why not keep them warpoint based? So that the players that are doing well, but may not hold the space above the planet can still call in their own precision strikes from the warbarge as often as they have points. This will mean that good players still get rewarded on a squad level without the impact of having to worry about the corps interests in retaining their large scale OB's for pivotal moments in the battle. Also WP's are going to factor into turret instillation costs etc once that's implimented so the mechanics not going to go away, just get tweaked slightly so that there's more emphasis on WP's at a squad level and not he corp level where directors and CEO's should be more concerned about winning than WP's and who get's what.
IF IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AT A SQUAD LEVEL HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY WORK?
Well i'd like to see it so that the timer does not start till the first OB from your side is fired, that then triggers the cooldown timer. So in theory you could launch a large OB right off the bat along the enemy redline and stopping them from capping any point, this would mean you can't launch another OB until well into the battle though while they could pepper you with smaller strikes on a regular basis to push you back thus keeping it balanced. The other issue that was raised is who can call in the OBs?
There's 2 options to this, either i'd be happy with. The first one is that a commander positon is created in squads now, rather than later when we get MCC's for our corps and that player alone can all in the strikes, allowing them to be a special snowflake or the other option that i much prefer is that everyone in corp could call in the OB's meaning that teamwork, communication and knowing who can make the call at the right time that much more important. You could have a guy leading a squad at the front desperate for an OB but unable to call it in because of the firefight so he calls back to a sniper on overwatch instructing them to bring the fire down directly on his squad, he loses the clones but halts the enemy advance too. The other, much more interesting option with that and it fits in perfectly with the whole "New Eden" philosophy is that someone can infiltrate your corp and call in an OB at the wrong time, on the wrong target leaving you totally vulnerable or even calling it in on your squad and thus making you lose the battle and the implications of that alone are very exciting.
BUT CEREBRAL WOLF: HOW IS THIS GOING TO HELP US IN DUST?:
Well that's very simple, escalation. I'm going to be posting another thread shortly about the current PC timers and how they won't work in my opinion and the opinions of many other people i've spoken to, but when coupled together battles will organically grow and start from small border skirmishes and escalate into larger conflicts spanning planets with fleet fights in orbit which is the end game of this goal, we want to link the games together more, provide content for both groups of players, make it fun and add as much depth to the game as possible.
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.06 14:35:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:I'm not really for the whole timer thing. A more interesting solution would be if a corp holds a district and has control of the space over head. It costs half as much WP to call in an OB
Again, the whole point is that WP's are broken as a mechanic for PC. Reducing the cost wouldn't make any difference if you get steamrolled.
Plus WP costs for OB's will go up in size anyway so to have a game changing OB called in you'd need a lot of WP's and if you're redlined you're not gonna get it. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.06 14:54:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:But handing out OBs every 5 minutes isn't going to fix anything. This will just be throwing more OBs into the mix that you don't have to work for. OBs are supposed to be earned, not given.
They will be earnt. If you can't get a ship in orbit you don't get an OB and that ship is open to be attacked by anyone at any time. It's lowsec, it's not protected by concord and will get ganked if it's solo.
You've also not read the thread, thought about the mechanics and digested it before posting like i asked. Please do so before commenting again. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.06 15:01:00 -
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Then you're mistaken and more interested in your own holdings than the escalation this will bring and the content it will provide for both lots of players, this is about content, not you keeping your districts safe. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.06 15:20:00 -
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Well the thread is for discussion, i'm not saying my suggestion has to be set in stone but there has to be a clear difference between small and large strike timers.
Keep in mind maps will get much bigger, you're only thinking about what we currently have available... which is nothing really. |
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Posted - 2013.04.06 15:42:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Well the thread is for discussion, i'm not saying my suggestion has to be set in stone but there has to be a clear difference between small and large strike timers.
Keep in mind maps will get much bigger, you're only thinking about what we currently have available... which is nothing really. maps prob wont get bigger till we can field more ppl and that prob wont happen till PS4 move and for nullsec DUST barely handles the current playercount as is
You'd be surprised.
Think long term.
If you think about what we only have no you'll have the same issue in 5 years that we have in EVE now. Things will have to be revisited and Dev time will be spent doing the same job 2-3 times from scratch rather than just tweaking and adding more content as time goes on.
POS is a perfect example in EVE right now.
And SKirmish 1.0 was much, much larger than the current maps we have and would suit this a great deal. |
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:19:00 -
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Its worth noting to you all that my corp just got 12 OB's out in a single match... the current mechanics are exploitable and need to be changed.
There will be a video to go with this at a later date after CCP patch the issue.
My proposal above means less OB's than that for a start, WP's don't have to be used for precision strikes, maybe a hybrid system of time and WPs or something. |
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Posted - 2013.04.07 22:21:00 -
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Skyfires still a ways off, but there's no reason at all that CCP couldn't put that in using the same mechanic i've suggested above. It would certainly keep it fair and balanced.
There would have to be different types of battery's on the planets thought for the various ship types etc. You shouldn't be able to kill a titan with it for example but if there was a battery that could stop anything in orbit from warping that would be very, very interesting. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:02:00 -
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It would allow cross game content for a start if we could shoot and hold fleets in orbit.
Anyway, do people still think this is a bad idea considering the exploit we found?... There will be more to find and other ways of abusing it. |
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:50:00 -
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I think the current mechanics are currently too carebear friendly and that the majority of FPS players are **** scared of having to deal with being beaten by eve players and thats why they dont want it changing.
Its not very new Eden. |
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